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Title: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: br360 on January 02, 2015, 11:35:01 PM
Hey Arantor; I'm sure you will be focusing on your gallery mod for a while, but I know I read somewhere on smf that you were going to be doing more paid mods in the future as well. Personally, I'm hoping that you eventually decide to take on creating a shoutbox/chat mod soon, as I would be one of the first ones to buy that. ;)

Do you have any plans to add a section or sticky thread here that will let everyone know what other paid mods you will be working on in the future, or perhaps a suggestion section so people can post what they might be wanting and willing to pay for?

Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 03, 2015, 03:37:29 AM
I don't like publishing roadmaps of things like that precisely because if circumstances change and I can't focus on what I wanted to focus on, I'm likely to find that awkward to deal with - much better if I announce stuff as I'm definitively working on it rather than 'what I might work on', at least formally.

FWIW, yes, a decent shoutbox would be a nice addition and it's not like I didn't do a shoutbox before (I did, and it was built as a plugin for SimpleDesk, and had no file edits, so it's totally doable) but there are other considerations I have to deal with in the interim (like finding a new job)
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: br360 on January 03, 2015, 05:13:02 AM
Totally understandable. Good luck with the job hunt.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 03, 2015, 09:35:51 AM
Must admit I tried a few shoutbox / chat mods, and didn't get them working at all, or couldn't make them look how I wanted.  That was before we had decent one in TP 1.1 beta.

Pete, I'm surprised you are struggling to find work with your coding skills to be honest   Or does this come down to employers taking the P, pay wise?
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 03, 2015, 12:19:16 PM
It's not so much my skills that are the problem. I've been doing the Levertine thing since the summer with every intention of making it my core business, so to speak. But as time's gone on and I realised the extent of the VAT stuff, and the size of the SMF market being smaller than I thought, this is not financially survivable long term.

So longer term I will actually need to be doing the conventional job thing. I may be a good programmer but right now I'm not really so business savvy.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 03, 2015, 07:45:29 PM
Get into building apps, there's money to be made there. ;)

Our daughters boyfriend used to design and build websites for a living, then started into apps.  He seems to be making more from those than he does building websites.

I'm not business savvy either, I've only been self employed about 16 years. lol...  :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 03, 2015, 07:50:27 PM
Well, I'd do apps if I had good ideas for apps. I'm not short of ideas but most of my ideas aren't app related. :(

That said, if people shoot me ideas that seem feasible, I'll certainly take a look...
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 10, 2015, 04:45:01 AM
In the meantime I will also note that one mod I will definitely be doing sooner rather than later is a souped-up version of my infamous Annoy User mod with far more interesting and painful things to do to users. >:D
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 14, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
hey captain.
Just read your topic here. dude your such a brilliant coder, you certainly have talent,  all the best with the job hunt i hope it goes good for you.

Interesting you should mention your new mod Annoy User that your planning on making...hum sounds like something thats in my field to annoy the users, lol

If i think of anything worth creating i'll give you a hola. I am sure there is so much you can do. I think the list of possibilities would be endless.
You just got to hit the right target and market. Your half way there. Keep up the good work
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Justyne on January 14, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
This is basically just an excuse for him to be a big brat. What he does best.

I am looking forward to that mod though. There are some awesomely annoying ideas in there.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 14, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
Oh yes, Justyne has been privy to the list of things I can abuse people with in that mod and has even made a few suggestions to make it more amusing :D

First I have more awesomeness for the gallery to build though.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 14, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
I'd still love to see a decent menu manager for SMF.  As you know I've always been a firm believer in the fact it should be a core feature, but it doesn't look like it will be as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 14, 2015, 09:21:03 PM
There are menu manager mods, but I did contemplate a full CMS with integrated menu manager, which seems more like what's really needed to me. The menu part is kind of hard to make work given the mods out there that play havoc with the menu, though :(
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 14, 2015, 09:28:20 PM
I don't like any of the current ones tbh. (no offence meant to the authors)  None of the free ones work in a way that encourages  me want to buy the paid version.

I still use a old menu mod on my sites, although you have to use it in the right way or it'll kill your site, and overload the server. lol..  Used in the right way it works perfectly though.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 14, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
Well, here's the question: what's the principle issue with the current menu mods? I see two problems: no support for pages (which always amuses me when the portal mods offer pages but no menu handling) and limited support for mods. But maybe I'm seeing it wrong, or with a slightly warped perspective because I've been known to do all kinds of different things.

I have thought about a CMS that would bundle a menu mod - and effectively be a portal as well. It's a huge undertaking but it seems to me to be the only sane way to go about this properly, something seamlessly designed to cope with all this.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 14, 2015, 10:16:49 PM
Well, here's the question: what's the principle issue with the current menu mods? I see two problems: no support for pages (which always amuses me when the portal mods offer pages but no menu handling) and limited support for mods. But maybe I'm seeing it wrong, or with a slightly warped perspective because I've been known to do all kinds of different things.

I have thought about a CMS that would bundle a menu mod - and effectively be a portal as well. It's a huge undertaking but it seems to me to be the only sane way to go about this properly, something seamlessly designed to cope with all this.

Well, to be honest I did suggest we should build one into TP, because a portal is exactly where this comes in extremely useful..  Again the idea wasn't taken up.  I have noticed one or two portals now incorporate a menu manager though. 

That said, I still think it's crazy having to edit core files just to add a simple menu button. ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 14, 2015, 10:18:48 PM
Actually.  Stick one in Levgal, and your on to a winner.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: TheDDude on January 15, 2015, 05:37:20 AM
Have you tried Ultimate Menu? I wrote it specifically to try to play with other mods.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 16, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
Have you tried Ultimate Menu? I wrote it specifically to try to play with other mods.

Well I thought I had.  :-[

Just added it to my local test site, looks extremely like the one I'm already using tbh.  Can't add a menu item to the levgal dropdown with it though.  I can with the one I'm using.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 16, 2015, 07:11:53 PM
That would be because the LevGal menu is added via a hook. This, sadly, seems to be a common stumbling block that no-one has solved yet :(

In other news, I just updated this site to the upcoming 1.1 release to do some more testing on a live site :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: lurk on January 16, 2015, 07:18:55 PM
That would be because the LevGal menu is added via a hook. This, sadly, seems to be a common stumbling block that no-one has solved yet :(

In other news, I just updated this site to the upcoming 1.1 release to do some more testing on a live site :)

Like I said, I'm sure the menu mod I use can do it.  But its no longer available, and is built in to one of the portal mods. ;)


In other news, I just updated this site to the upcoming 1.1 release to do some more testing on a live site :)

Cool.  8) Was just going to do some testing actually.  Have you disabled embedding youtube vids?

Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: maxx on January 16, 2015, 07:33:01 PM
I am Not in favor of using to many mods, some love to pile them up, however there are themes that have been made that will allow for  a custom menu to be made and activate via the current theme settings... Now this is something really like about what Bloc was going for a theme package that can take the place of the portal or at least most of it, at least it seemed, any way. and at the same time, I myself was thinking along the same lines.

Main reason that, I feel limiting the needs for so many mods to to change the options on the core, is building or piling up a future cluster _mess for your forum or community. and every time the core gets updated some or several mods, are not updated or in sync with the changes . and then you have another issue or so with your community members and guest'

I'm only speaking minor Mods, not like a full blown gallery :)
The shout box to me I only use to communicate with staff, because of abuse and cleaning up old or nasty shouts.

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 17, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
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Was just going to do some testing actually.  Have you disabled embedding youtube vids?

Should be enabled now. Let me know if it doesn't behave.

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I am Not in favor of using to many mods, some love to pile them up, however there are themes that have been made that will allow for  a custom menu to be made and activate via the current theme settings...

It was originally a feature of this theme actually, though I removed it because I had no plans on using it.

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Main reason that, I feel limiting the needs for so many mods to to change the options on the core

This can be mitigated by having a more modular structure to the core that would allow for such things. SMF does not modularise its code especially well for that purpose, sadly.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: TheDDude on January 18, 2015, 03:13:55 AM
Have you tried Ultimate Menu? I wrote it specifically to try to play with other mods.

Well I thought I had.  :-[

Just added it to my local test site, looks extremely like the one I'm already using tbh.  Can't add a menu item to the levgal dropdown with it though.  I can with the one I'm using.
The LevGal menu is added via a hook in a non-standard way. It works when I move the call to the database.
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 08:30:44 AM
Define 'non standard' :P Surely any mod that adds itself via the hook is going to be similarly 'non standard'?
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: TheDDude on January 18, 2015, 11:50:42 PM
Define 'non standard' :P
not using the database :P
Title: Re: Upcoming Mods?
Post by: Arantor on January 19, 2015, 12:01:14 AM
Are you calling the database to find which hooked functions there are? Cuz, yeah, that's going to be awkward - I deliberately didn't push all my hooks into the database so that I would never have to worry about keeping on top of maintenance, I keep them totally in my code.