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Title: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 18, 2015, 10:46:23 AM
Hi
Ok my turn to ask a noob question here and i hope i can word this correctly.

With this mod Levertine i gather the images are stored on some external cloud system but i am interested to know whats a good site to have these images shared on or stored to get these codes and stuff for your forum.

Unless they are stored on your own hosting provider which i gather wouldn't be such a great idea due to the resources being stretched to the limits

I myself have Photobucket and its ok, but there are to many ads there, and i guess the same would go with other image hosting sites as well.
But

i am not sure if there gonna be some pros and cons here to some of the following sites that i been looking at below.

SmugMug
Photobucket
Picasa
Facebook
and Flicker

there might be even more but these are the ones i feel comfortable with but am happy to look at others or get your opinion and thought.

Sorry if i haven't worded this to correctly here.

Any suggestions please.

Regards

Bruce

Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 11:25:00 AM
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With this mod Levertine i gather the images are stored on some external cloud system

No, they're stored on your web hosting account. As for 'resources being stretched to the limits'... even cheap hosting accounts allow for GBs worth of images these days. And frequently setting up S3 or similar will cost even more than just expanding your hosting package by a little bit.

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I myself have Photobucket and its ok, but there are to many ads there, and i guess the same would go with other image hosting sites as well.

I have users looking to migrate off Photobucket because Photobucket is starting to sell prints and so on of images where the uploader doesn't have the legal right for such.

As for your list of providers, I don't recognise SmugMug, Photobucket is getting invasive on your privacy, Picasa I've never used but heard good things about, Facebook damages your photos and Flickr is generally kind of neat but I haven't looked at the T&Cs or anything.

I tend to hoard my stuff and run it on my own hosting where I have control of it.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: lurk on January 18, 2015, 11:37:29 AM
I run two sites on shared hosting plans.  One Coppermine gallery, and now one running levgal. All images in the main gallery with 13,026 images are on my host.  I'll probably have to have a clean up when it hits its Inode limit, but that's a fair way off yet.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 11:41:57 AM
Your host actually tells you about inode limits?

This is kind of why LevGal does the weird thing it does with directories, though - it uses more inodes but it balances them out a bit better, so unless your host caps on total inodes (which would be weird, I think), you should be good for a while.

Btw, I am investigating the feasibility of a Coppermine importer for the near future. I have to say I don't especially like how their database does things. I understand why they did what they did but it wouldn't exactly be my choice, put it that way.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 18, 2015, 11:44:04 AM
ok there you go i learnt something else today.
I would have thought it would have slowed down your site if it got to the upper limit but as you mentioned you just expanded this S3 and pay for that little bit extra.

Also captain if i may ask you another question as well and i was wondering does  your mod have a feature like a carousel that you can add to your forum or post?
I mean images that can rotate, like in a website.
sorry but i'm not to savy on your new mod of what it can and can't do.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 11:58:49 AM
No, S3 is a very different service altogether. It's run by Amazon and is literally just for storage.

I was thinking more 'expanding your plan with your host' because typically... if you get big enough to be pushing limits on space, you'll typically be pushing other limits too and need to upgrade anyway.

No, there isn't a carousel (and carousel is quite different to rotate)... but there could be if someone had some real idea of how they thought it should work. It's certainly doable, let's put it that way. I've built the foundations and now it's more a case of listening to what users want and building accordingly.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: lurk on January 18, 2015, 12:02:21 PM

Your host actually tells you about inode limits?


Yep, Hostgator are pretty hot on this stuff, they stop doing auto backups after 100.000 files (Inodes) not sure after that what the limit is now before they flag you up, or shut you down though. Will have to check that out, a lot has changed over the last couple of years. (not for the best I might add). 

This is one of the reasons I find SMF so frustrating when it comes to handling themes.  You install several themes to try them out, and unbeknown to lots of people the files are left on the server after you uninstall them from SMF.  Thousands of files. ;)


Btw, I am investigating the feasibility of a Coppermine importer for the near future. I have to say I don't especially like how their database does things. I understand why they did what they did but it wouldn't exactly be my choice, put it that way.

That would be excellent, thank you.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 18, 2015, 12:04:35 PM
I my self will never use any type cloud services, any many are starting to sell software for building website and the like in a cloud, not mention severs suck, very slow many errors and all you work will be in someone else's hands ans bot under your control, too many have to much faith and trust in the those trying monopolize the Net!

IMHO!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 12:14:17 PM
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and unbeknown to lots of people the files are left on the server after you uninstall them from SMF.

I can imagine that. My dev site which has the current testing platform of LevGal (518 files), about 50 themes, remnants left behind by all the portals... that weighs in at 16,000 files. The only thing it doesn't have in abundance is the import data from the various other galleries, each one of those had its own dedicated installation, just made it easier to separate out what I was looking at.

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they stop doing auto backups after 100.000 files (Inodes)

Well, inodes and files aren't quite the same thing. A folder also consumes an inode. Fortunately LevGal's consumption on that part is relatively tame, the folder sharding itself should consume no more than 272 inodes though the fact that thumbnail+preview always get built if possible, that could potentially be a bit more than other systems, as well as YouTube videos consuming an inode because the preview image is downloaded and stored.

But all in all it's not ridiculous even for media-heavy sites, I think.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 18, 2015, 12:16:44 PM
I was mainly thinking about users who would want to place images in a post say like a forum that sells items then you could rotate the next slide or have it loop around.

Nothing to fancy but basic to start with but Captain if you did create such a mod or added this into the one here right now everyone  would be buying your product.

It would sell like hot cakes because in theory your forum could be turned into a full fledged functional website.

Just something to think about.

This would be amazing to have similar to this website ----> here (http://wowslider.com/rq/carousel-image/ )
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
The problem with WOWSlider is that it's not actually free for me to use, it's actually $150 plus my time to integrate. Unless it would get me 4 customers, I'm not sure it's worth it :(

But I will certainly look around for other sliders to see if that can be a thing.

I could do the 'fully fledged' website thing actually... a while ago I wrote a thing in the SMF Helpdesk that allowed it to turn off the forum and just be a helpdesk. Something similar could be done here.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 18, 2015, 01:21:30 PM
If you do use a slider, I would limit it to the intro page or home page, other wise it may get annoying and distracting, and also place some content above the slider so the S engines index that content! and yes there are sliders that are free or even much cheaper.

regards,
maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 01:49:02 PM
*nods* I'm just curious to hear more about what people would want and how they think it should be used.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 18, 2015, 01:59:18 PM
Well,

I was mainly thinking of your site, however for your program, is something else, you'll need user control/s and the j script and CSS (like Bootstrap)  and a tiny bit of HTML5.. to keep it low on resources, I'd think???

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 18, 2015, 04:07:05 PM
User controls can be a thing, as can using CSS and XHTML (since most SMF themes are XHTML not HTML5) and I can certainly be careful about resources, just trying to get a feel for what people would want.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: lurk on January 18, 2015, 04:25:09 PM
I guess for the portal users amongst us, a slider block code would be of use, to show off the latest uploads, or random images etc.

 
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 18, 2015, 11:51:55 PM
If you do use a slider, I would limit it to the intro page or home page, other wise it may get annoying and distracting, and also place some content above the slider so the S engines index that content! and yes there are sliders that are free or even much cheaper.

regards,
maxx

Maxx also wrote

"I my self will never use any type cloud services, any many are starting to sell software for building website and the like in a cloud, not mention severs suck, very slow many errors and all you work will be in someone else's hands ans bot under your control, too many have to much faith and trust in the those trying monopolize the Net!"



Dude you said it clearly and  i feel the very same way here as you do on this one.

to sum it up.

I just didn't know, and i thought to myself that other members have been using and signed up to these image sharing sites to free up resources.

Again as mentioned to you captain with regards to the sider i just gave you an example of a website that deals with this particular add on.

But in practical terms there are many other image slider/ carousel  out there on the market, some may be even free that can be looked in.

My thoughts are at the moment is, that SMF is in urgent need of a revamp soon for something that can integrate more easily to have this sort of feature added within your mod or separately on a universal scale.

I believe that having this, it will be very advantageous for the members.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 19, 2015, 09:52:59 AM
The thing is, an image carousel is not really something the SMF core would have in it, it's not something especially useful for discussions per se, but on a more media-centric site it would be a definite advantage.

I'm just curious how people would use it (not that I don't already have my own ideas) just because I want to work with you guys that use the gallery to be able to fit your needs better :)
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 19, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
Its mainly a cosmetic layout to spruce up the forum to make it look more like a web page.

To make it more homier or cozy for young generation to inspire there creative ability to build there community.

Look Captain this theme that you are using here is great its so simple and plain, and i can truly say i really like it.

But all it needs is a slider to add some images to show new comers what can be accomplished even tell them a simple story through your images or direct them to that page for more info.

What surprises me is that Proboards has this plugin of some sort because i remember seeing it and being used on someones else forum.

What i can't understand is why SMF is so far behind the times.

We are in the 21st century and i think its time that we really need to consider this carefully and make a move on this.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 19, 2015, 11:09:42 AM
Maybe I should experiment with a portal mod :D

I get what you're saying, I'm just not entirely sure how best to make that work for me right now. It does make me think about doing something neat with a portal mod, and a slideshow of gallery features using the pictures I already have.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 19, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
Yes A slider may look good, however only on the intro page and after the Key content is displayed ( the Site and product description), so it's read/indexed by the spiders first, if not they will pick up what ever test they find.

You can do a portal like TP and Have A front page, or not, and have an upper block display only on forum index. the other block/panels can be shut down. (and set as needed in the future) A page may cause a redirect not good!
upper panel on Forum index, I'd think!

Every page as I mention before will become annoying and distract from the content. and the slider should not be huge either, I'd use thumbs but possibly a bit bigger the normal, just enough to tease with some details. set slow and smooth.

Now for the project I'd like to see a playlist and slide show option if possible, or plug-in ???
wedding pictures, Baby pictures, birthdays and even nature pictures ( for the user)!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 19, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
I'm thinking about it in the context of being a platform vendor, more than I am in the context of being a site owner. My needs on this one are to figure out how other people want to do this stuff and what they want to do with it. What I might do on this site is a different thing altogether to what I build into LevGal itself.

I have found a slider that suits my needs (free, suitably licensed, looks neat), so and it has neat options in terms of effects so integration can easily be a thing. Still need to figure out how users expect this stuff to work, though. In case you're wondering, I'm looking at http://www.jssor.com/demos/index.html
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 19, 2015, 12:29:46 PM
Very Nice !
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 19, 2015, 06:35:42 PM
Yes that does look go. Its a start. Just make it so its not to fancy and then you might want to add on some more features later. At least they know you got this in your mod.

To me this image gallery and slide show do go together hand in hand.

Also as Maxx suggested the play list or plugin for the wedding photo and baby pictures you cant leave that out because you cant have a slide show without adding some music to it.
It might be to boring, should someone complain, which they will anyway.

Set the music/playlist to autostart in the control panel or disable it.

here's my example copy this two here Captain, there free
http://www.metamorphozis.com/free_flash_templates/metamorph_flash61/
http://www.metamorphozis.com/free_flash_templates/metamorph_flash101/
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 19, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
I don't want to carried away with too many bells, just things that come to mind for the future, I sure there are more important things to consider now :)

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 20, 2015, 04:54:00 AM
So true i think we made our point loud and clear here

Now Captain its all in your capable hands. Good luck with it and remember were all counting on you.

( and don't call me Shirley )
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 20, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
Oh yes, the point that a slider of some kind is a good thing is well understood.

Just trying to figure out how best to implement it because I suspect more options than 'latest x pictures' would be ideal here (and a slider pretty much works best *being* pictures rather than other stuff), perhaps a specific album.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: lurk on January 20, 2015, 05:54:06 PM
Oh yes, the point that a slider of some kind is a good thing is well understood.

Just trying to figure out how best to implement it because I suspect more options than 'latest x pictures' would be ideal here (and a slider pretty much works best *being* pictures rather than other stuff), perhaps a specific album.

Ever thought about a plugins system for Levgal?  Then offer things like sliders etc as plugins.  Can't for the life of me think where that idea came from.  >:D
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 20, 2015, 09:00:18 PM
I did a plugin system for SimpleDesk once upon a time.

Fun bonus fact: LevGal has its own integration hooks. It actually provides some itself just in case of stuff like this. Though more never hurts and I may make later versions a shade more extensible for stuff like that.

Though this still sounds like a portal thing rather than not to be honest... I can imagine a slider block on a portal, I can vaguely imagine one on the front page of the gallery, elsewhere not so much.

But the thing about a plugin system... there are not so many things I can imagine where I'd want to make something a plugin rather than a core feature.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 20, 2015, 10:36:12 PM
Just to be clear, for me I was thinking of the slider, only to show the features of the Gallery on your site only! just one page one time. Slider and slide show to different animals!

Now the slide show feature is something that most all galleries have, and is needed by most!
You just pick a catalog and click slider show icon and that's it, or you may add a random show if you like!
if you  mouse over the slide it can pause or not depends on you. if they click an image in the slide show it could be enlarged or opened, depending on you! and of course the stop  show button!

No way for a slider, they are normally image coded in by hand, form a set file/\ don't the need for a slider for the gallery, just for demo stuff on your site!

I hope this makes some pennies and nickles.!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 20, 2015, 11:45:31 PM
Actually, that's the fun part... a slider and a slideshow aren't actually that far apart. Some presentation differences but conceptually much the same thing.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 24, 2015, 09:56:38 PM
hey Captain lighten me up here for a moment i was thinking does this LevGal have a feature for boarders or to have frames placed around the images.
Cause i was thinking it would be great if someone had a forum, say about wedding ideas and added this to there photos album when they uploaded it.
I'd reckon it would look fantastic. Even putting it around the slider.
The woman go crazy for this sort of thing, i mean the brides to be that is.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: TomW on January 24, 2015, 11:01:47 PM
I do not like sliders myself; it is just another means of cluttering up a single page IMHO.  A slideshow on the other hand might be nice to have, on a per gallery basis.

BTTT - for image hosting, Flickr and SmugMug seem to be the best.  I have had problems with ImageShack & PhotoBucket deleting 'old' files.


BTW I'm really liking the mod so far; the preview mode option for forum posts is awesome !  Thanks.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 25, 2015, 01:54:22 AM
I'm still not sure I see a difference between a slider and a slideshow. Or at least... what everyone else seems to see as the difference. To me they're two different words that mean basically the same thing. Or am I missing something fundamental?
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Bruce the Shark on January 25, 2015, 03:57:01 AM
Captain have you read my post above with regards in adding a boarder around the images or including a slider with boarders or frames enclosed.

Can it be done to make it more appealing.
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 25, 2015, 10:37:07 AM
I think difference is in the coding and most slide shows use the java thing, and the Flash, the size also and the slideshow can managed and controlled by the guest or members as well as the admin. For example the user can click on a given set of images and click "slide show", and it will fetch those pictures will start to scroll across the window, leaving the gallery in the back ground. ( I'm not saying this can not be done with the slider, never seen one that works this way) like programed by the user.

Most sliders use JQuery and or CSS3 and HTML, now days and have only a set number of slide that are displayed and they usually larger, used only for intro pages of the site. The side in most case loops the same images! and if use to much they are annoying and distracting start up on their own( I would use this just show screen of the products or service you offer).

If you do a slide show I would try to make it a plug-in! ( because there will be some coding to consider for it admin management and  user controls.. and it can also do select amount of random image and thumbs!
Coppermine has a nice slideshow, but the coding probably very old, but looks nice and Lurk has this on this site!

But you are correct in the they both slide images!

And if you could implement programmable slider in to and replace the old slide show, this would be great. but the older browsers may be at loss ???

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: lurk on January 25, 2015, 10:55:42 AM

If you do a slide show I would try to make it a plug-in! ( because there will be some coding to consider for it admin management and  user controls.. and it can also do select amount of random image and thumbs!
Coppermine has a nice slideshow, but the coding probably very old, but looks nice and Lurk has this on this site!

But you are correct in the they both slide images!


Maxx, I have a very basic marquee type slider at the top of my gallery page, this is coupled to a enlargeIt plugin I have installed.  And the gallery also has two slideshow options. 

1: Slider Plugin
The option settings for the slider,
(http://cctestsite.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/slider.jpg)

The Slideshows
2: The standard (built in) Coppermine one. If you click a thumbnail to view a image you'll see at the top of the image a slideshow button, this will grab all the images from that album, and present as slideshow.

3: The LightBox plugin version. Click a image thumbnail, and then click the intermediate image to go full size, this will bring up the image in lightBox.  At the bottom of the lightBox window you'll see another button to play as slideshow.  This will also grab all images from said album and play them.  This option is also screen space aware, so it's best to press control F11 on your keyboard to go full screen before playing.  ;)  It's here for anyone wondering what we're talking about, http://cameracraniums.com/gallery/

The option settings for the lightbox,
(http://cctestsite.info/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/enlargeit.jpg)
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 25, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
Thank you Friend!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 25, 2015, 04:12:50 PM
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Captain have you read my post above

Yes.

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Can it be done

Yes. This doesn't ask, or imply an answer to, the subsequent question of "will I do it" to which the answer is... I'm not sure. Probably not unless others are more interested in it because there are some issues that need taking into account for my market.


So as far as slideshow vs slider is concerned, are we concluding then that 'slideshow' is a one page deal that is dedicated to switching between media items, while a 'slider' is a block on another page, e.g. the front page, where we automatically show multiple images switching but in all practical respects it is not the dominant force on the page?

Because if that's what we're saying, a slideshow can definitely be done, a slider not so much (or at least not so easily)
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 25, 2015, 05:49:46 PM
As far as the frame. that real old news, and not used any longer and too complicate to do on an interact gallery package. Even the borders are not used that much any longer except when magnifying a Picture. ( i would not recommend getting in to that)!
The border radius is or maybe a good thing they good if less than 8 or pixels!  My feelings only!

On the slide show if you saw Lurks site, saw the slide show at the top, and if you click on someone's folder and open an image, I think there is a place to click the folder's slide show, show them bigger and one at a time, but will go through them all.

But I think you getting the picture of what we are trying to say lol :)
sorry if I'm confusing myself :)
The slide I'd forget about that, as not part of the gallery!

regards,
maxx

Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 27, 2015, 12:58:57 PM
CSS3/HTML - Slider Example only:
Please just look at the slider the them is big mess cause I use it take thing apart and testing stuff

Now the could possibly be used on TP or other portal upper panel or Global headers footer type thing, but these image in order to big have to be set off line, then up loaded  to see if they fit well, You can change the images however they must be of the same size and put into the same folder and you may add more images if you like same goes as far as setting it up. as you can see on all page it/s get redundant and some what annoying.

Now if done right the slider will be responsive and various effects available!
So in short for the site home page may work well, on every page not so good.

Note you may be able to Incorporated this inside the Gallery, but this you line not mine coding this in.

http://smf.surfacethemes.com/index.php?theme=5

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: Arantor on January 27, 2015, 04:07:06 PM
I like that :)

Of the sliders I've seen, some of them have good handling for 'different sized images', so my real headache is more about managing to make sure all the items actually are images rather than all the other kinds of files we support. It'd suck, for example, to have a slideshow of the LevGal downloads album which are all just the thumbnail images for zip files...
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: maxx on January 27, 2015, 04:34:28 PM
This one can be done in all sizes and the thumbs displayed on mouse over at the bottom.
no java no flash , only a Jquery for IE!

Kinda simple! :)

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Image hosting whats worth signing up to
Post by: BerniceHolland on March 18, 2015, 05:53:54 AM
I simply use http://picuploaders.com no hassle.  8) There‚Äôs no requirement to register as users can anonymously upload photos.